My hypothesis: IF you allow that recruit rankings is a valid measure of a player's base talent level, AND minutes played is an accurate measure of the dosage of that talent upon the roster, THEN the 2017-18 Virginia basketball team will be the most talented team Tony Bennett has fielded. And it's not close.
And - even though math is not my strength - I've got some math to back up my claim.
BOOOOOOOOOM.
Take a look at my pretty tables...
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Bennett's Recruits at Virginia | |||
Recruit | School | Year | Natl Rank |
Tristan Spurlock | Virginia | 2009 | 73 |
Jontel Evans | Virginia | 2009 | 283 |
KT Harrell | Virginia | 2010 | 47 |
James Johnson | Virginia | 2010 | 71 |
Joe Harris | Virginia | 2010 | 132 |
Will Regan | Virginia | 2010 | 155 |
Akil Mitchell | Virginia | 2010 | 248 |
Billy Baron | Virginia | 2010 | 308 |
Anthony Gill | South Carolina | 2011 | 95 |
Malcolm Brogdon | Virginia | 2011 | 99 |
Paul Jesperson | Virginia | 2011 | 114 |
Darion Atkins | Virginia | 2011 | unranked |
Justin Anderson | Virginia | 2012 | 50 |
Evan Nolte | Virginia | 2012 | 79 |
Mike Tobey | Virginia | 2012 | 81 |
Taylor Barnette | Virginia | 2012 | 243 |
Teven Jones | Virginia | 2012 | 245 |
Austin Nichols | Memphis | 2013 | 22 |
Devon Hall | Virginia | 2013 | 123 |
London Perrantes | Virginia | 2013 | 124 |
Darius Thompson | Tennessee | 2013 | 191 |
B.J. Stith | Virginia | 2014 | 98 |
Isaiah Wilkins | Virginia | 2014 | 145 |
Marial Shayok | Virginia | 2014 | 163 |
Jack Salt | Virginia | 2014 | 353 |
Mamadi Diakite | Virginia | 2015 | 33 |
Jarred Reuter | Virginia | 2015 | 158 |
Kyle Guy | Virginia | 2016 | 38 |
Ty Jerome | Virginia | 2016 | 44 |
Jay Huff | Virginia | 2016 | 60 |
DeAndre Hunter | Virginia | 2016 | 92 |
Marco Anthony | Virginia | 2017 | 235 |
Simple enough. These are all of the guys Tony Bennett has recruited to UVA, to date. The "Year" column was the year they were a high school recruit, thus it was the year they were ranked. "Natl Rank" was their overall recruit ranking the year they were recruited. I color coded the table so the intake years would be separated. And, yes, the transfers are included.
Now, from most-talented to least-talented...
Bennett's Virginia Recruits, Ranked | ||||
Recruit | School | Year | Natl Rank | |
#1 | Austin Nichols | Memphis | 2013 | 22 |
#2 | Mamadi Diakite | Virginia | 2015 | 33 |
#3 | Kyle Guy | Virginia | 2016 | 38 |
#4 | Ty Jerome | Virginia | 2016 | 44 |
#5 | KT Harrell | Virginia | 2010 | 47 |
#6 | Justin Anderson | Virginia | 2012 | 50 |
#7 | Jay Huff | Virginia | 2016 | 60 |
#8 | James Johnson | Virginia | 2010 | 71 |
#9 | Tristan Spurlock | Virginia | 2009 | 73 |
#10 | Evan Nolte | Virginia | 2012 | 79 |
#11 | Mike Tobey | Virginia | 2012 | 81 |
#12 | DeAndre Hunter | Virginia | 2016 | 92 |
#13 | Anthony Gill | South Carolina | 2011 | 95 |
#14 | B.J. Stith | Virginia | 2014 | 98 |
#15 | Malcolm Brogdon | Virginia | 2011 | 99 |
#16 | Paul Jesperson | Virginia | 2011 | 114 |
#17 | Devon Hall | Virginia | 2013 | 123 |
#18 | London Perrantes | Virginia | 2013 | 124 |
#19 | Joe Harris | Virginia | 2010 | 132 |
#20 | Isaiah Wilkins | Virginia | 2014 | 145 |
#21 | Will Regan | Virginia | 2010 | 155 |
#22 | Jarred Reuter | Virginia | 2015 | 158 |
#23 | Marial Shayok | Virginia | 2014 | 163 |
#24 | Darius Thompson | Tennessee | 2013 | 191 |
#25 | Marco Anthony | Virginia | 2017 | 235 |
#26 | Taylor Barnette | Virginia | 2012 | 243 |
#27 | Teven Jones | Virginia | 2012 | 245 |
#28 | Akil Mitchell | Virginia | 2010 | 248 |
#29 | Jontel Evans | Virginia | 2009 | 283 |
#30 | Billy Baron | Virginia | 2010 | 308 |
#31 | Jack Salt | Virginia | 2014 | 353 |
#32 | Darion Atkins | Virginia | 2011 | unranked |
[Projected] members of the 2017-18 team are in blue and orange, nimrod.
Okay, it's almost time for some comparative analysis.
The liberties I'm taking:
- National Rank the year the player was recruited is a measure of the player's natural talent, prior to seasoning, development, and system integration within Virginia Basketball. It's just a raw measure, not meant to be totally reflective of that player's value --- instead, it's just a measure of his natural tools.
- Higher ranked players playing more minutes means we were putting more natural talent on the floor; therefore, Natl Rank x Minutes Played = Impact Value of that talent. A higher-ranked recruit playing more minutes yields a higher value than a lower-ranked player playing the same minutes or a similarly-ranked player playing fewer minutes.
- Player development, intangibles, "fit," and inherent value to the team is reflected by minutes played. Coach doesn't / won't / wouldn't play players who hurt the team unless he had no other, better options available.
- Raw, stupid, dumb, natural talent isn't changed. Your recruiting ranking is your recruiting ranking. Maybe you get bigger and stronger and more skilled, but you never really run faster or jump higher; your basketball acumen as measured as a high school senior is mostly the destiny you live out as a college player. (I know there will be disagreement with this point, but I urge you to ask yourself: Why, then, do we ever care about recruiting rankings? The answer is that raw, dumb, stupid, natural talent doesn't change.)
With that being said, let me restate my hypothesis here: IF you allow that recruit rankings is a valid measure of a player's base talent level, AND minutes played is an accurate measure of the dosage of that talent upon the roster, THEN the 2017-18 Virginia basketball team will be the most talented team Tony Bennett has fielded. And it's not close.
Let's take a look...
2011-12 | |||||||
Recruit | School | Year | Natl Rank | 11-12 | min | % | Value |
KT Harrell | Virginia | 2010 | 47 | 47 | 208 | 0.05 | 18.30 |
James Johnson | Virginia | 2010 | 71 | 71 | 37 | 0.01 | 3.03 |
Malcolm Brogdon | Virginia | 2011 | 99 | 99 | 626 | 0.16 | 46.98 |
Paul Jesperson | Virginia | 2011 | 114 | 114 | 220 | 0.05 | 15.69 |
Joe Harris | Virginia | 2010 | 132 | 132 | 969 | 0.24 | 64.78 |
Akil Mitchell | Virginia | 2010 | 248 | 248 | 705 | 0.18 | 26.81 |
Jontel Evans | Virginia | 2009 | 283 | 283 | 984 | 0.24 | 28.85 |
Darion Atkins | Virginia | 2011 | unranked | 400 | 275 | 0.07 | 0.07 |
174.25 | 4024 | 1.00 | 204.51 |
2012-13 | |||||||
Recruit | School | Year | Natl Rank | 12-13 | min | % | Value |
Justin Anderson | Virginia | 2012 | 50 | 50 | 841 | 0.12 | 42.95 |
Evan Nolte | Virginia | 2012 | 79 | 79 | 694 | 0.10 | 32.51 |
Mike Tobey | Virginia | 2012 | 81 | 81 | 416 | 0.06 | 19.37 |
Paul Jesperson | Virginia | 2011 | 114 | 114 | 900 | 0.13 | 37.58 |
Joe Harris | Virginia | 2010 | 132 | 132 | 1139 | 0.17 | 44.58 |
Taylor Barnette | Virginia | 2012 | 243 | 243 | 248 | 0.04 | 5.70 |
Teven Jones | Virginia | 2012 | 245 | 245 | 405 | 0.06 | 9.19 |
Akil Mitchell | Virginia | 2010 | 248 | 248 | 1069 | 0.16 | 23.80 |
Jontel Evans | Virginia | 2009 | 283 | 283 | 754 | 0.11 | 12.95 |
Darion Atkins | Virginia | 2011 | unranked | 400 | 407 | 0.06 | 0.06 |
187.50 | 6873 | 1.00 | 228.69 |
2013-14 | |||||||
Recruit | School | Year | Natl Rank | 13-14 | min | % | Value |
Justin Anderson | Virginia | 2012 | 50 | 50 | 796 | 0.11 | 38.32 |
Evan Nolte | Virginia | 2012 | 79 | 79 | 297 | 0.04 | 13.12 |
Mike Tobey | Virginia | 2012 | 81 | 81 | 668 | 0.09 | 29.32 |
Anthony Gill | South Carolina | 2011 | 95 | 95 | 733 | 0.10 | 30.76 |
Malcolm Brogdon | Virginia | 2011 | 99 | 99 | 1163 | 0.16 | 48.17 |
London Perrantes | Virginia | 2013 | 124 | 124 | 1105 | 0.15 | 41.98 |
Joe Harris | Virginia | 2010 | 132 | 132 | 1066 | 0.15 | 39.33 |
Teven Jones | Virginia | 2012 | 245 | 245 | 125 | 0.02 | 2.67 |
Akil Mitchell | Virginia | 2010 | 248 | 248 | 952 | 0.13 | 19.98 |
Darion Atkins | Virginia | 2011 | unranked | 400 | 386 | 0.05 | 0.05 |
155.30 | 7291 | 1.00 | 263.71 |
2014-15 | |||||||
Recruit | School | Year | Natl Rank | 14-15 | min | % | Value |
Justin Anderson | Virginia | 2012 | 50 | 50 | 724 | 0.11 | 37.48 |
Evan Nolte | Virginia | 2012 | 79 | 79 | 590 | 0.09 | 28.02 |
Mike Tobey | Virginia | 2012 | 81 | 81 | 582 | 0.09 | 27.46 |
Anthony Gill | South Carolina | 2011 | 95 | 95 | 859 | 0.13 | 38.76 |
B.J. Stith | Virginia | 2014 | 98 | 98 | 63 | 0.01 | 2.82 |
Malcolm Brogdon | Virginia | 2011 | 99 | 99 | 1105 | 0.16 | 49.21 |
Devon Hall | Virginia | 2013 | 123 | 123 | 244 | 0.04 | 10.00 |
London Perrantes | Virginia | 2013 | 124 | 124 | 1065 | 0.16 | 43.50 |
Isaiah Wilkins | Virginia | 2014 | 145 | 145 | 264 | 0.04 | 9.97 |
Marial Shayok | Virginia | 2014 | 163 | 163 | 496 | 0.07 | 17.41 |
Darion Atkins | Virginia | 2011 | unranked | 400 | 789 | 0.12 | 0.12 |
132.45 | 6781 | 1.00 | 264.75 |
2015-16 | |||||||
Recruit | School | Year | Natl Rank | 15-16 | min | % | Value |
Evan Nolte | Virginia | 2012 | 79 | 79 | 299 | 0.04 | 13.05 |
Mike Tobey | Virginia | 2012 | 81 | 81 | 581 | 0.08 | 25.21 |
Anthony Gill | South Carolina | 2011 | 95 | 95 | 1037 | 0.14 | 43.02 |
Malcolm Brogdon | Virginia | 2011 | 99 | 99 | 1263 | 0.17 | 51.71 |
Devon Hall | Virginia | 2013 | 123 | 123 | 809 | 0.11 | 30.49 |
London Perrantes | Virginia | 2013 | 124 | 124 | 1162 | 0.16 | 43.64 |
Isaiah Wilkins | Virginia | 2014 | 145 | 145 | 792 | 0.11 | 27.49 |
Jarred Reuter | Virginia | 2015 | 158 | 158 | 121 | 0.02 | 3.99 |
Marial Shayok | Virginia | 2014 | 163 | 163 | 526 | 0.07 | 16.97 |
Darius Thompson | Tennessee | 2013 | 191 | 191 | 648 | 0.09 | 18.45 |
Jack Salt | Virginia | 2014 | 353 | 353 | 138 | 0.02 | 0.90 |
146.45 | 7376 | 1.00 | 274.91 |
2016-17 | |||||||
Recruit | School | Year | Natl Rank | 16-17 | min | % | Value |
Austin Nichols | Memphis | 2013 | 22 | 22 | 16 | 0.00 | 0.89 |
Mamadi Diakite | Virginia | 2015 | 33 | 33 | 449 | 0.07 | 24.20 |
Kyle Guy | Virginia | 2016 | 38 | 38 | 634 | 0.09 | 33.70 |
Ty Jerome | Virginia | 2016 | 44 | 44 | 473 | 0.07 | 24.73 |
Devon Hall | Virginia | 2013 | 123 | 123 | 931 | 0.14 | 37.90 |
London Perrantes | Virginia | 2013 | 124 | 124 | 1093 | 0.16 | 44.33 |
Isaiah Wilkins | Virginia | 2014 | 145 | 145 | 874 | 0.13 | 32.76 |
Jarred Reuter | Virginia | 2015 | 158 | 158 | 344 | 0.05 | 12.24 |
Marial Shayok | Virginia | 2014 | 163 | 163 | 702 | 0.10 | 24.47 |
Darius Thompson | Tennessee | 2013 | 191 | 191 | 686 | 0.10 | 21.10 |
Jack Salt | Virginia | 2014 | 353 | 353 | 627 | 0.09 | 4.41 |
126.73 | 6829 | 1.00 | 260.72 |
2017-18 | |||||||
Recruit | School | Year | Natl Rank | 17-18 | MPG | % | Value |
Mamadi Diakite | Virginia | 2015 | 33 | 33 | 18.00 | 0.09 | 33.12 |
Kyle Guy | Virginia | 2016 | 38 | 38 | 32.00 | 0.16 | 58.08 |
Ty Jerome | Virginia | 2016 | 44 | 44 | 32.00 | 0.16 | 57.12 |
Jay Huff | Virginia | 2016 | 60 | 60 | 14.00 | 0.07 | 23.87 |
DeAndre Hunter | Virginia | 2016 | 92 | 92 | 18.00 | 0.09 | 27.81 |
Devon Hall | Virginia | 2013 | 123 | 123 | 32.00 | 0.16 | 44.48 |
Isaiah Wilkins | Virginia | 2014 | 145 | 145 | 30.00 | 0.15 | 38.40 |
Marco Anthony | Virginia | 2017 | 235 | 235 | 6.00 | 0.03 | 4.98 |
Jack Salt | Virginia | 2014 | 353 | 353 | 18.00 | 0.09 | 4.32 |
124.78 | 200.00 | 1.00 | 292.18 |
Yeahbuddy.
I think hope that was pretty self-explanatory.
Darion Atkins being unranked kind of fucks some of the numbers up, but I still think it's a decent look at the talent (measured by recruit ranking) by roster dosage (minutes played) for each season.
Another illustrative table.
Season | Record | NCAAT | Kendall Value |
2011-12 | 22-10 (9-7 ACC) | Round of 64 | 204.51 |
2012-13 | 23-12 (11-7 ACC) | NIT | 228.69 |
2013-14 | 30-7 (16-2 ACC) | Sweet 16 | 263.71 |
2014-15 | 30-4 (16-2 ACC) | Round of 32 | 264.75 |
2015-16 | 29-8 (13-5 ACC) | Elite 8 | 274.91 |
2016-17 | 23-11 (11-7 ACC) | Round of 32 | 260.72 |
2017-18 | ??? | ??? | 292.18 |
And a... what do you call these things? A chart? A graph?
Tony Bennett has been a success so far at Virginia by doing more with less. Next season, potential depth issues aside, he will be attempting to do more with... more.
Pretty big reasons for optimism, despite the losses of Reuter, Shayok, and Thompson.
GO HOOS!
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MATH!
ReplyDeleteIf you give Atkins a Mitchell-level grade (which seems reasonable), you end up with (roughly, I'm just eyeballing it):
ReplyDelete2011-12 205
2012-13 237
2013-14 270
2014-15 281
2015-16 275
2016-17 261
On the one hand, obviously it still doesn't really mean anything. On the other hand, I can't speak for anyone else, but those revised scores match up *really* well with my own perceptions of how strong those teams were.
Also, the 2017-2018 team probably won't just have 9 players getting minutes. They will probably end up adding a someone (or two) from somewhere to pad out the end of the bench. That someone will have to be someone willing to take that job, and therefore will likely be ranked ~200th and thus pull the final score down (to maybe 285-ish? Who knows?)
I'm curious to see how this methodology works out. Predicting a 1 or 2 seed for this crew next year seems very optimistic, but if it happens, you're a genius.
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